about whether the treasuries get over the debt ceiling, can actually mint a platinum coin worth $1 trillion and call it a day. but i feel like it's getting transaction in weird places. >> well, among politicians, so there's your point. look, here is a couple problems i have with it. one is that the fed is not allowed to buy platinum. so how does the money get created? the government can print whatever it wants on any coin it wants. it's a clever idea. gold coins work and the amount of gold is more than ta face value so you never sell it at face value. so you would have to have a coin that would be worth more than $1 trillion after you melt et down and -- >> but would that convince anybody that we have any situation on what's going on and we've managed it? >> absolutely not. and the person who came up with this idea would be the first to say that. >> who came up with it? >> i don't know. i forget the exact name. but -- >> the 14th amendment -- >> the white house is -- >> the 14th amendment is that the president can do whatever it takes in order to maintain the u.s. debt. so basically to avoi